Hi All,
I have been working with the factory to develop a modular pack system for LiFeBATT cells that will allow me to build up packs in the UK for any electric vehicle.
In order to test the theory it would be a great help to me if owners of the Berlingo, City El, Twike, G-Wiz, Enfield, C5, Milkfloats and or any other vehicle, would provide some measurements and any other info about their vehicle I should be aware of.
I appreciate this list of questions is quite big and I don't expect everyone to be able to answer them all, but any assistance you can provide would be much appreciated.
Vehicle Info/Performace
Vehicle Make/Model -
Gross Vehicle Weight -
Top Speed -
Standard Range -
Average Wh per mile -
Battery Info
Current Battery Chemistry -
Total Voltage -
Total Capacity -
Max Amp Draw from controller -
Battery Space Length X Width X Height -
Charger Info
Charger Onboard or Off -
If Onboard how much space -
Expected Charge Time -
If there are any other questions you think I should be asking, please don't hesitate to contribute.
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Electric chopper ebike with PUMA motor (1.2kW) and 36V 20Ah LiFePO4 batteries. 23 mph & 20 mile range with no peddling (Sorry, what are peddles for?).
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Re: Retro Fit Batteries from LiFeBATT
ChrisB and I have been discusing the Berlingo elsewhere on the forum so I will add the info we have acumulated so far....
Vehicle Info/Performace
Vehicle Make/Model - Citroen Berlingo Electrique
Gross Vehicle Weight - 1.5tons
Top Speed - 65mph
Standard Range - 60 miles
Average Wh per mile - 500wh (I think)
Battery Info
Current Battery Chemistry - Nicads
Total Voltage - 162V
Total Capacity - 100Ah C3
Total Battery Weight - 345Kg (I just added this question )
Max Amp Draw from controller - 400Amps
Battery Space Length X Width X Height - 5 separate crates
Charger Info
Charger Onboard or Off - ON
If Onboard how much space - Intergrated with speed controller
Expected Charge Time - Full charge in 7hrs
Notes
Energy Meter - It's possible that the energy meter will re-adjust to the new batts after a while as it does this already when new Nicads are added.
Existing Charger - The charger is totally integrated into the controller, but there is a fast charge set of connections which could be used and this may keep the controller within spec and it understanding what's what to a degree.
Pack Voltage - Voltage span of LiFeBATT's is within the Nicads range.
Other Problems - There is still the issue of the controller and how we fool that into not trying to shut down the van due to a number of things from coolant pumps not now needing to be running and odd battery temps, not to mention the fact the charge now wouldn't be going through the controller !
Thanks for your help with this.
Cheers,
Ian
Vehicle Info/Performace
Vehicle Make/Model - Citroen Berlingo Electrique
Gross Vehicle Weight - 1.5tons
Top Speed - 65mph
Standard Range - 60 miles
Average Wh per mile - 500wh (I think)
Battery Info
Current Battery Chemistry - Nicads
Total Voltage - 162V
Total Capacity - 100Ah C3
Total Battery Weight - 345Kg (I just added this question )
Max Amp Draw from controller - 400Amps
Battery Space Length X Width X Height - 5 separate crates
Charger Info
Charger Onboard or Off - ON
If Onboard how much space - Intergrated with speed controller
Expected Charge Time - Full charge in 7hrs
Notes
Energy Meter - It's possible that the energy meter will re-adjust to the new batts after a while as it does this already when new Nicads are added.
Existing Charger - The charger is totally integrated into the controller, but there is a fast charge set of connections which could be used and this may keep the controller within spec and it understanding what's what to a degree.
Pack Voltage - Voltage span of LiFeBATT's is within the Nicads range.
Other Problems - There is still the issue of the controller and how we fool that into not trying to shut down the van due to a number of things from coolant pumps not now needing to be running and odd battery temps, not to mention the fact the charge now wouldn't be going through the controller !
Thanks for your help with this.
Cheers,
Ian
Electric chopper ebike with PUMA motor (1.2kW) and 36V 20Ah LiFePO4 batteries. 23 mph & 20 mile range with no peddling (Sorry, what are peddles for?).
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www.lifebatt.co.uk
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Hi,
My requirements for my upcoming conversion are as follows:-
Vehicle Info/Performace
Vehicle Make/Model - Daihatsu Hijet
Gross Vehicle Weight - 1.5T
Top Speed - 60
Standard Range - 25 miles 80% DOD
Average Wh per mile - ?
Battery Info (I don't have one yet)
Current Battery Chemistry - n/a
Total Voltage - n/a
Total Capacity - n/a
Max Amp Draw from controller - 500A (belktronix.com)
Battery Space - not critical but ideally less than 900L x 500W x 300H (mm).
Charger Info (belktronix.com)
Charger Onboard or Off - on
If Onboard how much space - 300W x 300L x 100H (mm)
Expected Charge Time - 8Hrs
Thank you. MW
My requirements for my upcoming conversion are as follows:-
Vehicle Info/Performace
Vehicle Make/Model - Daihatsu Hijet
Gross Vehicle Weight - 1.5T
Top Speed - 60
Standard Range - 25 miles 80% DOD
Average Wh per mile - ?
Battery Info (I don't have one yet)
Current Battery Chemistry - n/a
Total Voltage - n/a
Total Capacity - n/a
Max Amp Draw from controller - 500A (belktronix.com)
Battery Space - not critical but ideally less than 900L x 500W x 300H (mm).
Charger Info (belktronix.com)
Charger Onboard or Off - on
If Onboard how much space - 300W x 300L x 100H (mm)
Expected Charge Time - 8Hrs
Thank you. MW
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Hi Martin,
Have you decided on a motor for your project? Also, what is the nominal voltage for your battery pack?
We provide a complete battery, BMS and charger system. Once I have the above info I can provide some estimates for the battery configuration.
Many thanks,
Ian
Have you decided on a motor for your project? Also, what is the nominal voltage for your battery pack?
We provide a complete battery, BMS and charger system. Once I have the above info I can provide some estimates for the battery configuration.
Many thanks,
Ian
Electric chopper ebike with PUMA motor (1.2kW) and 36V 20Ah LiFePO4 batteries. 23 mph & 20 mile range with no peddling (Sorry, what are peddles for?).
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www.lifebatt.co.uk
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Hi Martin,
The Netgain Impulse 9 motor is very nice, but I believe it's at its most efficient at high voltages 144V, with a max voltage of 170.
For your 60mph requirement, you might need 144V if the vehicle is fully loaded and when it's not you could have a very quick van!
We do a 144V 10Ah (159.4V Nominal) module that can be connected in parallel to give you any range pack you needed. This system also makes it easy to extend the range at a later date.
6 X 14410-HPS modules in parallel will give you an 8.1kWh pack and at 300Wh per mile 32 miles range to 100% DOD. Total weight approx 165kg with charger and each module is 546mm long X 182mm wide X 207mm high.
Depth of discharge is kind of irrelevant with LiFeBATT cells and as they were designed with 100% DOD in mind and are guaranteed for 3 years or 1,500 cycles. Testing has shown duty cycles in excess of 2,500 cycle to 80% of original capacity.
We also do 96V (105.6V Nominal) and 108V (118.8V Nominal) systems or we could build up your pack form a series string of 12V modules in either 60, 80 or 120Ah modules. The new modules are very flexible. So if you like give me a call to talk it through. 01268 774415.
I hope this helps, as for prices please call.
Cheers,
Ian
The Netgain Impulse 9 motor is very nice, but I believe it's at its most efficient at high voltages 144V, with a max voltage of 170.
For your 60mph requirement, you might need 144V if the vehicle is fully loaded and when it's not you could have a very quick van!
We do a 144V 10Ah (159.4V Nominal) module that can be connected in parallel to give you any range pack you needed. This system also makes it easy to extend the range at a later date.
6 X 14410-HPS modules in parallel will give you an 8.1kWh pack and at 300Wh per mile 32 miles range to 100% DOD. Total weight approx 165kg with charger and each module is 546mm long X 182mm wide X 207mm high.
Depth of discharge is kind of irrelevant with LiFeBATT cells and as they were designed with 100% DOD in mind and are guaranteed for 3 years or 1,500 cycles. Testing has shown duty cycles in excess of 2,500 cycle to 80% of original capacity.
We also do 96V (105.6V Nominal) and 108V (118.8V Nominal) systems or we could build up your pack form a series string of 12V modules in either 60, 80 or 120Ah modules. The new modules are very flexible. So if you like give me a call to talk it through. 01268 774415.
I hope this helps, as for prices please call.
Cheers,
Ian
Electric chopper ebike with PUMA motor (1.2kW) and 36V 20Ah LiFePO4 batteries. 23 mph & 20 mile range with no peddling (Sorry, what are peddles for?).
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LiFeBATT UK Distributor
www.lifebatt.co.uk
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www.lifebatt.co.uk
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